Friends. I thank you in advance for engaging in this conversation and facing what it causes you to feel and what it brings up in you. Thank you for being the kind of friends that are open to tough conversations that are honest and true and needed, even if they aren’t as easy, because we are all learning together how to be a part of racial reconciliation and letting our lives and friendships better display the beautiful diversity of the kingdom of God.

Mike Kelsey is a great friend and an amazing pastor and generous in so many ways to us. I’m thankful for his words today and all he said.

We also hop over to continue our chat on YouTube, and Mike gives us a great list of resources, so check that out and subscribe there so you don’t miss any of these special additional conversations!


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