I’m so grateful to our friend Mike Kelsey for hosting, creating, and curating this week’s podcast episodes!

Today, Mike chats with author, speaker, and cofounder of the Best Christian Workplaces Institute, Helen Lee. Mike and Helen’s conversation about her experience growing up Asian in a predominately white community and how Asian-Americans often feel in conversations about race is SO GOOD. Be sure to grab a copy of Helen’s books, The Race-Wise Family, The Missional Mom, and Growing Healthy Asian American Churches.

Here’s a playlist with every Mike Kelsey episode of the podcast from the past few years!

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NYTimes bestselling Christian author, speaker, and host of the That Sounds Fun Podcast, Annie F. Downs shares with you some of her favorite things: new books, faith conversations, entertainers not to miss, and interviews with friends.